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Subject: [Paranormal_Research] World's biggest telescope to prove Americans really walked on Moon

I wonder if they recently sent a prop to the moon so they can probe they really were there, in the Hollywood studio, "oh" I mean on the moon:)


World's biggest telescope to prove Americans really walked on Moon
World's biggest telescope to prove Americans really walked on Moon
By Robert Matthews, Science Correspondent
(Filed: 24/11/2002)

Conspiracy theorists, you have a problem. In an effort to silence claims that the Apollo Moon landings were faked, European scientists are to use the world's newest and largest telescope to see whether remains of the spacecraft are still on the lunar surface.

For years, doubters have claimed that Nasa, the US space agency, spent billions of dollars faking the landings to convince the world that it had beaten the Soviet Union to the Moon. A host of supposed evidence has been put forward, ranging from the absence of stars on any photographs taken by the astronauts to the fact that the Stars and Stripes they planted seemed to flutter in a vacuum.

Earlier this month, Nasa tried to put an end to the controversy by commissioning a definitive account of the evidence for the landings. Days later, it dropped the idea after criticism that it was wasting money by taking on the lunatic fringe: naturally, this only boosted claims that the space agency was trying to hide something.

The row even boiled over into personal conflict in September when police in Beverly Hills were called in to investigate claims that Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin - the second man on the Moon - punched a conspiracy theorist who accused him of lying about the landings.

Now astronomers hope to kill off the conspiracy theory once and for all by using the Very Large Telescope (VLT) - by far the most powerful telescope in the world - to spot the Apollo lunar landers.

Operated by European astronomers in the Chilean Andes, the VLT consists of four mirrors 27ft across linked by optical fibres. It can see a single human hair at a distance of 10 miles.

Trained on the Moon, such astonishing resolution should enable it to see the base of one or more of the six lunar modules which Nasa insists landed on the Moon between 1969 and 1972. Any images of the modules would be the first not to have been taken from space by Nasa.

Dr Richard West, an astronomer at the VLT, confirmed that his team was aiming to achieve "a high-resolution image of one of the Apollo landing sites".

The first attempt to spot the spacecraft will be made using only one of the VLT's four telescope mirrors, which are fitted with special "adaptive optics" to cancel the distorting effect of the Earth's atmosphere. A trial run of the equipment this summer produced the sharpest image of the Moon taken from the Earth, showing details 400ft across from a distance of 238,000 miles.

The VLT team hopes to improve on this, with the aim of detecting clear evidence for the presence of the landers. The base of the lunar modules measured about 10ft across, but would cast a much longer shadow under ideal conditions.

Dr West said that the challenge pushed the optical abilities of one VLT mirror to its limits: if this attempt failed, the team planned to use the power of all four mirrors. "They would most probably be sufficiently sharp to show something at the sites," he said.

Dr West insisted, however, that the decision to examine the landing sites was not driven by the conspiracy theory. "We do not question the reality of the landings," he said. "It is more for instrument-testing purposes."

Supporters of the conspiracy theory welcomed the news that astronomers are to photograph the landing sites. Marcus Allen, UK publisher of Nexus magazine and a long-time advocate of the theory, said: "I would be the first to accept what they find as powerful evidence that something was placed on the Moon by man."

He added, however, that photographs of the lander would not prove that America put men on the Moon. "Getting to the Moon really isn't much of a problem - the Russians did that in 1959," said Mr Allen. "The big problem is getting people there."

According to Mr Allen, Nasa was forced to send robots to the Moon and faked the manned missions because radiation levels in space were lethal to humans. "We know that no lead shielding was carried on Apollo, so how were 27 astronauts able to survive a journey of several days to and from the Moon?"

Dr Duncan Steel, a space scientist at Salford University, said that the supposed radiation hazard is a myth spread by conspiracy theorists.

Dr Robert Massey, an astronomer at the Royal Greenwich Observatory, said that the conspiracy theorists are unlikely to be deterred by photographic evidence. "Even if the VLT does see something, I suspect it won't silence them. In science we can never totally prove anything - but we can prove things beyond reasonable doubt."



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Enlarged photo of 7,000 ft high structure centered in the basin of Tycho
Crater on our Moon.  Looking down on it from 30 miles above, it looks
like a woven birdnest, or bldg with ramps surrounding its girth.

4-6-2001 - I've been almost obsessed by question as to whether we've been to the moon. I already did a page on Apollo 11 as that is the big question ... Did we really go to the moon?  So, I've been meditating on the question, reading books about it, written by people who say emphatically, 'YES!'. 

This is not the first time I've been involved with the astronauts, not that I've met any of them personally, but. I've dreamed of them before. I've been emotionally involved with them, particularly Apollo 1 and the Challenger explosion.  I was right there at my television set when this all happened. It had a great impact on me, and still does.  

I've received e-mails from people who've worked on the Apollo program. I could not just sit around and let this thought die ... that we spent all those millions of dollars ... and then faked going to moon just to win the cold war with Russia.  No! This is too big a program to mess with that, even though there are other questions remaining which are discussed endlessly by researchers.  What did we find when we went to the moon? That's the question I need to have answered.  That's the answer I'm going to get ... one way or another.

4-6-01 - I went to sleep begging spirit to tell me who or what was on the back side of the moon. The first part of the dream was quite lucid, then I slipped into a dream.

DREAM - I was flying through space with someone who was on my left. We came down towards what looked like a big dome-shaped pod on the ground or that was hovering in the air. It was too dark to tell. It's shape was something like a white watermelon but a little flattened on the bottom. It looked like it was white at first, but then it seemed I could see through the top and was told to me was a school. None of the rooms were the same size now, though they used to be in the beginning. 

This was a school for kids who really wanted to be here.  Twice as many kids were trying to get into the school than there was room for.  You had to take tests to get into it, and tests to stay in it.  Once you were in the school, and you tested well, you could have a larger room to stay in.  The new kids got the small rooms.  If you didn't pass your tests, you had to leave, so the competition was fierce to stay in this school.  (In a later meditation, a man's voice told me that kids had to be 13 before they could qualify)

I didn't get to meet any of the kids, but I was taken to the kitchen, in which huge pots of food were cooked. I don't know if these women were the mothers of the kids or volunteers like myself, but there were massive amounts of dishes to wash from feeding the kids.  There was no lack of food, and no end to the dishes either.

The kitchen had more than one sink, some regular sinks, some deep sinks to wash the piles of plates, and kettles in which I volunteered to wash after I did the smaller pieces of china.  The water didn't seem to be clear as it came from the faucet, rather more whitish. That could have been because of air in the water, or something else in the water, I don't know.  I was too busy working to question about that.  There were 4 or 5 other women working with me in the kitchen, none of whom I knew.

Before I came home, I was in a car with someone else who was driving. There seemed to be some kind of competition for space on the road as well. A dark blue car which was next to us at first, insisted he had to be in front of us at any cost, and he didn't care who else got hurt in the process. Finally, the cars up ahead had to stop for a red light and we couldn't stop in time, and ahead of us I could see a 5 or 6 car pileup and we crunched into the last car in front of us though I don't think anyone hit us from behind.  But there was a guy up front, whose entire car came apart.  He was delivering mussels from the seashore to restaurants.  The drivers were all sorry for him, because his entire catch of mussels was all over the street. 

I woke up and can't get that song out of my head, 'Singing cockles, and mussels, alive, alive O'.


4-7-2001 - I meditated on the topic of the dark side of the moon. What I saw resembled a helicopter and it was labeled 'Snoopy'!  At the time I didn't know what that meant. 

Then I went on the internet and read about Apollo 10: 

Apollo 10 was a dress rehearsal for a lunar landing mission and was conducted in lunar orbit, but it excluded the actual landing. Launched on May 18, 1969, the spacecraft Charlie Brown (CSM) and Snoopy (LM) spent over two days and 31 revolutions in lunar orbit. The crew of Thomas P. Stafford, John W. Young, and Eugene Andrew Cernan conducted all propulsive maneuvers required for a lunar landing mission. During lunar orbit, Stafford and Cernan descended in the LM to less than 10 miles of the lunar surface before completing the first lunar orbit rendezvous with the CSM. This eight-day mission was recovered in the Pacific Ocean and was completed less than two months prior to the planned launch of the first lunar landing mission. 

However, Apollo 8, with three astronauts, Frank Borman, James A. Lovell, Jr., and William A. Anders, aboard, made man's first moon orbit, at an altitude of about 60 miles above its surface, the first time the hidden face of the moon had ever been seen by man himself. This first moon mission lasted from December 21-27, 1968.

Because Walter Shirra aboard Mercury 8, was the first of the astronauts to use the code name 'Santa Claus' to indicate the presence of flying saucers next to space capsules, when James Lovell, Jr. on board Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the dark side of the moon and said for everyone to hear, "We have been informed that Santa Claus does exist!", many people sensed a hidden meaning in those words that were not difficult to decipher. 

The Gemini flights prior to the Apollo program apparently were the first to photograph unidentified flying objects. James McDivitt, on Mercury 4, Frank Borman and James Lovell on Gemini 7, and James Lovell and Edwin Aldrin in Gemini 12 all took photographs of UFOs. 

Apollo 8 had a similar experience, and so did Apollo 10, both during the orbit around the moon and on the homeward flight. 

Mission Objective:

Demonstrate crew/space vehicle/mission support facilities during manned Saturn V/CSM mission. Demonstrate translunar injection, CSM navigation, communications, and midcourse corrections. Assess CSM consumables and passive thermal control. Demonstrate CSM performance in cislunar and lunar orbit environment. Demonstrate communications and tracking at lunar distances. Return high-resolution photographs of proposed Apollo landing sites and locations of scientific interest. All mission objectives were achieved.
Apogee, 190 kilometers; perigee 180 kilometers. Translunar injection at 02:56:05.5 MET; maximum distance from earth, 376,745 kilometers; lunar orbit insertion 69:08:20 MET; lunar orbit 312km by 111km; transearth injection, 89:19:17 MET.
In lunar orbit 20 hours, with 10 orbits. First manned lunar orbital mission. Support facilities tested. Photographs taken of Earth and Moon. Live TV broadcasts
More info on Apollo 8

Edwin Aldrin took photographs of two UFOs hovering overhead as Armstrong was heading down the ladder to set foot on the moon. The magazine Modern People published these pictures in 1975 without divulging who their source was. They hinted it was from the Japanese. 


Space Research Reveals The Probability of a Lunar Gravity Variable up to 64% Of the Earth's Gravity, and NOT the 16% Previously Theorized

How this works: Prior to going into space, scientists estimated that the neutral gravity point - the location between the earth and moon, where the moon's and the earth's gravitational pull is zero or neutral - was approximately 23,900 miles above the lunar surface. Based on this estimate, the theory of 1/6 lunar gravity
was rationalized. However, this is not  accurate because the actual neutral point is located approximately 
43,495 from the moon.  Using the actual distance equates to a much higher lunar gravity. 


Excerpts from NASA's own publication (N6624927), released in 1966, chronologically lists recorded lunar observations and activities: 

1870 Purplish haze illuminating lunar floor 
1881 Whole region between Aristarchus and Herodotus appeared in strong violet light 
1907 Part of Crater Plato glowing with light 
1912 Small red glowing area on shadow side of the moon 
1944 Mist on floor of crater Schickard 
1955 White flashes near Posidonius 
1958 Mt. Piton enveloped in cloud-like mist 
1959 Crater Littrow obliterated by hovering cloud

From 1871 to 1896, 40 members of England's Royal Astronomical Society reported observing various geometrical shaped light patterns on the moon. In the following years, came confirmed sightings of a moving 50 wide opaque object, great white domes and long bridge like structures on the Plane of Mare Crisium. In 1958 , both US and Soviet scientists collectively observed a huge glowing oval object upon the lunar surface. Washington Daily News 1968 

Commander Young, Apollo 10, "Boy, I never saw anything like that, it seems the colors are different on the backside; they seem lighter, primarily because of the miara. They're shades of white, black and brown."

Commander Cernan, Apollo 10 "The centers of some of the craters as if they may be radioactive. They just glow in the very dim light."

Astronaut Borman, "It looks like clouds down there."

NASA's Dr. John Freeman reported that instruments left on the moon by Apollo 12 and 14 detected lunar water geysers lasting 14 hours. Water clouds clouds erupted through the cracks on the lunar surface, and the cloud spread to cover an area of more than 10 square miles. "The moon is not a completely dead and inactive place, it is still actively quaking and still actively venting gas." 1971

Lighting Constraints on Lunar Surface Operations, Dean Eppler, NASA Technical Memorandum 4271, May 1991.

Eppler, with the Lunar & Mars Exploration Program Office at NASA's Johnson Space Center, bases his study of lunar lighting conditions on Apollo data and discussions with astronaut John Young, who orbited the moon on Apollo 10 (May 1969) and landed at Descartes on Apollo 16 (April 1972). The day-night cycle at most lunar locations lasts 28 terrestrial days, with sunrise on day one, noon on day seven, sunset on day 14, and midnight on day 21.

For the central regions of the hemisphere facing Earth (the nearside), earthlight provides sufficient light during lunar night to permit moonwalks (76 times the light of the full moon on Earth), though helmet lights are needed for close work and movement through shadows. 

On the nearside's eastern limb the crescent Earth is too slim for about 60 hours after sunset to provide more than about four times the light of the full moon, so supplemental artificial lighting is required for moonwalks. On the western limb the situation is reversed - the 60 hours before sunrise are dim.

There are few shadows and the landscape is very bright when the Sun is within 20 degrees of vertical, making it difficult to distinguish rocks and judge slopes. Eppler states that "difficulty in distinguishing surface topography may require some restrictions in EVA surface operations during this time, such as operations only in familiar terrain, or operation of rovers only along known tracks that are marked." The Sun is generally within 20 degrees of vertical for about four days centered on lunar noon.

After sunset all locations on the hemisphere facing away from Earth (the farside) are dark because Earth is not visible, so moonwalkers operating there at night require artificial lighting.



I'm not writing this page to prove that extraterrestrials exist.  If you need proof of that, you can look elsewhere, this paper is presenting facts as I know them to be true.  This paper will tell it like it is, you can believe it or not. That is up to the reader. I KNOW it's true. I've seen UFOs, and I've seen ETs. I KNOW there are multiple type of ETs as I've seen them for myself.  Scientific Proof?  It doesn't exist except in government files and warehouses.  However, you can see the evidence of the scientific proof all around you these days.  You think we went from bicycle parts and balsa wood wings to stealth bombers in less than 60 years?  Not!  You think we went from vacuum tube radios to solid state components overnight in the 60's?  Not!. You think we went from clunky old gear computers as large as a house to do math to computers that fit in the palm of your hand all by ourselves in just 20 years? Not! You think we developed lasers for everything from micro-surgery to weapons that take down airplanes in less than 20 years?  Not!  I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. You can take the facts or leave them. I really don't care.  These are the facts. 

The original members of the Majestic12 are as follows:

Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter
Dr. Vanevar Bush
Secretary James V. Forrestal*
General Nathan P. Twinning
General Hoyt S. Vandenberg
Dr. Detlev Bronk
Dr. Jerome Hunsaker
Mr. Sidney W. Souere
Mr. Gordon Gray
Dr. Donald Mensel
General Robert M. Montague 
Dr. Lloyd V. Bernker

Secretary of Defense Forrestal Objects to Alien Secrecy

Secretary of Defense, James Forrestal began to object to the secrecy since he was a very idealistic and religious man who believed that the public should be told. President Truman asked him to resign his position for divulging to leaders of the opposition party and to leaders of the Congress the alien problem. He expressed his fears to many other people and rightfully believed that he was being watched. His actions were interpreted by those who were ignorant of the facts as paranoia. Forrestal later was said to have suffered a mental breakdown and was admitted to Bethesda Naval Hospital. In fact it was feared that Forrestal would begin to talk again and he had to be isolated and discredited. Sometime in the early morning of May 22, 1949 agents of the CIA tied a sheet around his neck, fastened the other end to a fixture in his room and threw James Forrestal out the window. The sheet tore and he plummeted to his death becoming one of the first victims of a cover-up.

As a permanent replacement Walter B. Smith was appointed to Forrestal's job.



I don't see any written evidence that we in the U.S. were being 'attacked' by UFOs in the 40's, but I do see evidence that we were afraid of them.  Later evidence shows that Germany had knowledge of UFOs way before we did in the U.S.  Germany was way ahead of the U.S. in shooting down UFOs and using the technology to try to win WWII.  

I have yet to see any evidence of the reason why so many UFOs were crashing. It seems rather iffy to think that UFOs flew to earth and then couldn't handle flying in the air for whatever reason.  Films/videos show too much evidence that they have excellent control over their vehicles, and their vehicles weren't of the caliber of our first meager efforts to fly in planes made of  bicycle parts and balsa wood..  Their vehicles were made of such technology that we couldn't even figure out what they were made of, nor how they were flown. The evidence shows that they were caught in lightening storms and were shot down by the military in Germany and the U.S.

The Apollo program was instituted because of the fear that a military base was going to be established on the far side of the moon and whoever got there first, whether human (Russia) or the extraterrestrials, who we were in dire fear of, would be in control of earth.  No matter what the cost, either in dollars or lives, the U.S. had to win that race to the dark side of the moon.

By then, Germany had lost WWII and we were now on even footing with Russia as far as brains go. At the end of WWII, Russia got half of the brains out of Germany, and the U.S. got the other half.  Perhaps knowing what we know now, we should have demanded all the brains, but we didn't. Through what we called Operation Paperclip, we got some characters (Nazi's if you will) who were responsible for killing millions of people. That was the level of our desperation. 

The U.S. Military rounded up Nazi scientists and brought them to America. It had originally intended merely to debrief them and send them back to Germany. But when it realized the extent of the scientists knowledge and expertise, the War Department decided it would be a waste to send the scientists home. Following the discovery of flying discs (foo fighters), particle/laser beam weaponry in German military bases, the War Department decided that NASA and the CIA must control this technology, and the Nazi engineers that had worked on this technology.

There was only one problem: it was illegal. U.S. law explicitly prohibited Nazi officials from immigrating to America--and as many as three-quarters of the scientists in question had been committed Nazis. Military Intelligence "cleansed" the files of Nazi references. By 1955, more than 760 German scientists had been granted citizenship in the U.S. and given prominent positions in the American scientific community. Many had been longtime members of the Nazi party and the Gestapo, had conducted experiments on humans at concentration camps, had used slave labor, and had comitted other war crimes.

Here are some more notable ones:

During the war, Rudolph was operations director of the Mittelwerk factory at the Dora-Nordhausen concentration camps, where 20,000 workers died from beatings, hangings, and starvation. Rudolph had been a member of the Nazi party since 1931; a 1945 military file on him said simply: "100% Nazi, dangerous type, security threat..!! Suggest internment."

From 1937 to 1945, von Braun was the technical director of the Peenemunde rocket research center, where the V-2 rocket --which devasted England--was developed. As noted previously, his dossier was rewritten so he didn't appear to have been an enthusiastic Nazi.

Von Braun worked on guided missles for the U.S. Army and was later director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. He became a celebrity in the 1950s and early 1960s, as one of Walt Disney's experts on the "World of Tomorrow." In 1970, he became NASA's associate administrator.

A high-ranking Nazi scientist, Blome told U.S. military interrogators in 1945 that he had been ordered 1943 to experiment with plague vaccines on concentration camp prisoners. He was tried at Nuremberg in 1947 on charges of practicing euthanasia (extermination of sick prisoners), and conducting experiments on humans. Although acquitted, his earlier admissions were well known, and it was generally accepted that he had indeed participated in the gruesome experiments.  Two months after his Nuremberg acquittal, Blome was interviewed at Camp David, Maryland, about biological warfare. In 1951, he was hired by the U.S. Army Chemical Corps to work on chemical warfare. His file neglected to mention Nuremberg.

The US military tribunal at Nuremberg heard evidence that "Schreiber had assigned doctors to experiment on concentration camp prisoners and had made funds available for such experimentation." The assistant prosecutor said the evidence would have convicted Schreiber if the Soviets, who held him from 1945 to 1948, had made him available for trial. Again, Schreiber's Paperclip file made no mention of this evidence; the project found work for him at the Air Force School of Medicine at Randolph Field in Texas. When columnist Drew Pearson publicized the Nuremberg evidence in 1952, the negative publicity led the JIOA, says Hunt, to arrange "a visa and a job for Schreiber in Argentina, where his daughter was living." On May 22, 1952, he was flown to Buenos Aires.

These two, along with Blome, were amoung the 23 defendants in the Nuremberg War Trials "Medical Case." Becker-Freysing was convicted and sentenced to 20 years in prison for conducting experiments on Dachau inamtes, such as starving them, then force-feeding them seawater that had been chemically altered to make it drinkable. Ruff was acquitted (in a close decision) on charges that he had killed as many as 80 Dachau inmates in a low-pressure chamber designed to simulate altitudes in excess of 60,000 feet. Before their trial, Becker-Freysing and Ruff were paid by the Army Air Force to write reports about their grotesque experiments.

It was five years after the end of WW2 but one of Hitler's chief intelligence officers was still on the job. From a walled-in compound in Bavaria, General Reinhard Gehlen oversaw a vast network of intelligence agents spying on Russia. His top aides were Nazi zealots who had committed some of the most notorious crimes of the war. Gehlen and his SS united were hired, and swiftly became agents of the CIA when they revealed their massive records on the Soviet Union to the US.  Gehlen derived much of his information from his role in one of the most terrible atrocities of the war: the torture, interrogation and murder by starvation of some four million Soviet prisoners. Prisoners who refused to cooperate were often tortured or summarily executed. May were executed even after they had given information, while others were simply left to starve to death. As a result, Gehlend and members of his organization maneuvered to make sure they were captured by advancing American troops rather than Russians, who would have executed them immediately. With the encouragement of the CIA, Gehlen Org (Licio Gelli) set up "rat lines" to get Nazi war criminals out of Europe so they wouldn't be prosecuted. By setting up transit camps and issuing phony passports, the Gehlen Org helped more than 5,000 Nazis leave Europe and relocate around the world, especially in South and Central America.

Known as the Nazi butcher of Lyons, France during World War 2, Barbie was part of the SS which was responsible for the and death of thousands of French people under the Germany occupation.

Some of Rupp's best work was done for the CIA, after he was imported in Operation Paperclip. Rupp has been convicted of bank fraud. He was an operative for the CIA and is deeply involved in the Savings and Loan scandals. A federal jury has indicated they believe testimony that Rupp, the late CIA Director William Casey - then Reagan's campaign manager, and Donald Gregg, now U.S. Ambassador to South Korea, flew with George Bush to Paris in 1980, during the election in which Bush was on the ticket with Ronald Reagan. The testimony states that three meetings were held on October 19 and 20 at the Hotel Florida and Hotel Crillion. The subject? According to the court testimony, the meetings were to sabotage President Jimmy Carter's reelection campaign by delaying the release of American hostages in Iran. The hostages were released on January 20, 1981, right after Reagan and Bush were sworn into office. Iran was promised return of its frozen assets in the United States and the foundation for the Iran- Contra deal was set into motion.

Head of a 2400 member secret Masonic Lodge, P2, a neo-fascist organization, in Italy that catered to only the elite, Gelli had high connections in the Vatican, even though he was not a Catholic. P2's membership is totally secret and not even available to its Mother Lodge in England. Gelli was responsible for providing Argentina with the Exocet missile. He was a double agent for the CIA and the KGB. He assisted many former Nazi high officials in their escape from Europe to Central America. He had close ties with the Italian Mafia. Gelli was a close associate of Benito Mussolini. He was also closely affiliated with Roberto Calvi, head of the scandal-ridden Vatican Bank. Calvi was murdered. Gelli's secret lodge consisted of extremely important people, including armed forces commanders, secret service chiefs, head of Italy's financial police, 30 generals, eight admirals, newspaper editors, television and top business executives and key bankers - including Calvi. Licio Gelli and others in P2 were behind the assassination of Pope John Paul 1. While on one hand, the U.S. participated in the war crime tribunals of key Nazi officials and maintained an alliance with the Communist Soviet Union, secretly, the U.S. was preparing for the cold war and needed the help of Nazis in the eventual struggle the U.S. would have with the Soviet Union. Gelli's agreement with U.S. intelligence to spy on the Communists after the war was instrumental in saving his life. He was responsible for the murder and torture of hundreds of Yugoslavian partisans.

Project Paperclip was stopped in 1957, when West Germany protested to the U.S. that these efforts had stripped it of "scientific skills." There was no comment about supporting Nazis. Paperclip may have ended in 1957, but as you can see from Licio Gelli and his international dealings with the CIA in Italy/P2, and Heinrich Rupp with his involvement in October Surprise, the ramifications of Paperclip are world-wide. The Nazis became employed CIA agents, engaging in clandestine work with the likes of George Bush, the CIA, Henry Kissenger, and the Masonic P2 lodge. This is but one of the results of Operation Paperclip. Another umbrella project that was spawned from Paperclip was MK-ULTRA.

So, there are a few choice personnel who helped the U.S. to go to the moon in the Apollo project. If you think by now that we were just kidding around, you need to re-read the above until you realize that we meant business.  We were going to win the cold war, get control of the world whether against the Russians and/or the extraterrestrials or both.  To be honest ... it was more against the extraterrestrials than the Russians, but the Russians provided the excuse the U.S. needed so that we didn't have to admit that Roswell was about a real crashed UFO.  That kind of knowledge was kept from the Americans who were deemed to be too emotional and panicky, and would get out of control to know that the whole history they  believed in was a lie. And that includes their religious history. 

Wernher Von Braun was one of the world's first and foremost rocket engineers and a leading authority on space travel. His will to expand man's knowledge through the exploration of space led to the development of the Explorer satellites, the Jupiter and Jupiter-C rockets, Pershing, the Redstone rocket, Saturn rockets, and Skylab, the world's first space station. Additionally, his determination to "go where no man has gone before" led to mankind setting foot on the moon.

Living in Huntsville, Alabama from 1950 to 1970, Dr. von Braun first directed the technical development of the U.S. Army's ballistic missile program at Redstone Arsenal, and later served as Director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. When he transferred to Washington, D.C., he left Huntsville with a rich legacy: the research institutions at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, the Alabama Space and Rocket Center, and the Von Braun Civic Center.

He enrolled at the Berlin Institute of Technology in 1930. In 1932, at the age of 20, he received his bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering, and was offered a grant to conduct and develop scientific investigations on liquid-fueled rocket engines. Two years later, Wernher received his PhD in physics from the University of Berlin.

During the 30's the German military was searching for a weapon which would not violate the Versailles Treaty of World War I, and at the same time defend Germany. By 1934 von Braun and Walter Dornberger had a team of 80 engineers building rockets in Kummersdorf, about 60 miles south of Berlin. Von Braun's natural talents as a leader shone, as well as his ability to assimilate great quantities of data while keeping in mind the big picture. With the successful launch of two rockets, Max and Moritz, in 1934, von Braun's proposal to work on a jet-assisted take-off device for heavy bombers and all-rocket fighters was granted. However, Kummersdorf was too small for the task, so a new facility had to be built.

By now Hitler had taken over Germany and Herman Goering ruled the Luftwaffe. Dornberger held a public test of the A-2 which was greatly successful. Funding continued to flow to von Braun's team, developing the A-3 and finally the A-4. 

1934 - First treaty with Greys aboard U.S. naval ship off Balboa. Hitler evokes "Law for Removing the Distress of People and Nation"; which overnight, eliminates power of Political Parties, State Institutions and Trade Unions while also
extinguishing the personal liberty of every citizen of the Reich. 

1938 - Evidence of German recovery of downed Alien craft. Construction of advanced Luftwaffe aircraft begins at underground research facilities: Reineckendorf, Kummeradorf and Thuringia. 

U.S. government backs "War Of The Worlds" broadcast in order to gauge public reaction to Alien invasion scenario. 

Hitler invades Austria and claims Spear of Longinus. Adolph Hitler views Spear of Longinus; believed to be the same spear
that pierced the crucified Christ's side, which he had viewed for first time at Hofburg treasure house in 1909. 

1939 - World War 2 begins.  Nazi Alien technology compromised by necessity for jet propulsion,
which keeps gravitational R&D effort in labs for duration of war. 

1941 - German underground excavation begins in Antarctica. 

In 1943 Hitler decided to use the A-4 as a "vengeance weapon," and the group found themselves developing the A-4 to rain explosives on London. Fourteen months after Hitler ordered it into production, the first combat A-4, now called the V-2, was launched toward western Europe on September 7, 1944. When the first V-2 hit London von Braun remarked to his colleagues, "The rocket worked perfectly except for landing on the wrong planet."

The SS and the Gestapo arrested von Braun for crimes against the state because he persisted in talking about building rockets which would go into orbit around the Earth and perhaps go to the Moon. His crime was indulging in frivolous dreams when he should have been concentrating on building bigger rocket bombs for the Nazi war machine. Dornberger convinced the SS and the Gestapo to release von Braun because without him there would be no V-2 and Hitler would have them all shot. 

On arriving back at Peenemunde, von Braun immediately assembled his planning staff and asked them to decide how and to whom they should surrender. Most of the scientists were frightened of the Russians, they felt the French would treat them like slaves, and the British did not have enough money to afford a rocket program. That left the Americans. After stealing a train with forged papers, von Braun led 500 people through war-torn Germany to surrender to the Americans. The SS were issued orders to kill the German engineers, who hid their notes in a mine shaft and evaded their own army while searching for the Americans. Finally, the team found an American private and surrendered to him. Realizing the importance of these engineers, the Americans immediately went to Peenemunde and Nordhausen and captured all of the remaining V-2's and V-2 parts, then destroyed both places with explosives. The Americans brought over 300 train car loads of spare V-2 parts to the United States. Much of von Braun's production team was captured by the Russians.

On June 20, 1945, U.S. Secretary of State Cordell Hull approved the transfer of von Braun's German rocket specialists. This transfer was known as Operation Paperclip because, of the large number of Germans stationed at Army Ordnance, the paperwork of those selected to come to the United States were indicated by paperclips.

They arrived in the United States at New Castle Army Air Base, just south of Wilmington, DE. Afterwards, they were flown to Boston, and then taken by boat to an Army Intelligence Service post at Fort Strong in Boston Harbor. Later, with the exception of von Braun, the men were transferred to Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland to sort out the Peenemunde documents. Those documents would enable the scientists to continue their rocketry experiments where they had left off.

Finally, von Braun and the 126 Peenemunders were transferred to their new home at Fort Bliss, Texas,  a large Army installation just north of El Paso, under the command of Major James P. Hamill. They found themselves in a strange situation as they began their new lives in America. Because they could not leave Fort Bliss without a military escort, they sometimes referred to themselves as "PoPs", Prisoners of Peace.

While at Fort Bliss, they were tasked to train military, industrial, and university personnel in the intricacies of rockets and guided missiles and to help refurbish, assemble, and launch a number of V-2's that had been shipped from Germany to the White Sands Proving Grounds in New Mexico. Further, they were to study the future potential of rockets for military and research applications.

A 1947 photo of the German team at Fort Bliss, Texas. Dr. von Braun, inset, is in the front row, seventh from right. Operation Paperclip came to a fitting conclusion with the naturalization of the first group of more than 50 German scientists and technicians on November 11, 1954, in Birmingham, Alabama.

Renato Vesco

This Italian aeronautical technician claimed modern "flying saucers" are the Anglo-Canadian development of very advanced German projects, namely the circular unmanned crafts "Feuerball" and "Kugelblitz". Both of them were in the prototype stage and maybe they were even flown-tested just at the end of the war. Vesco and his impressive documentation have been often used by many later authors in order to try to substantiate their empty claims.

The first book of Renato Vesco was published in 1968, but the original manuscript was ready since 1956. Because of job engagements he stopped its publication and went on collecting more material. So he had enough material to write three large books.

The first one had a Spanish edition and two in US (1971, Grove and 1974, Zebra), soon becoming a reference work for most but all the authors and researchers writing about the highly controversial subject of German "flying saucers". In 1994, the book was nearly fully reprinted within a book edited by D.Childress "Man-Made UFOs 1944-1994".

Here is the second Vesco book.

The author was born in Arona in 1924. He died in November 1999 in Genoa, the town where he had been living for many years. Since some years he was writing a new manuscript to publish a fourth "ultimate" book. The huge archive of Vesco has been retrieved safely and now preserved from destruction. The inventory should allow to find and evaluate some of the original sources used by the author.

The third book by Renato Vesco is a thick 553-page volume loaded with a real wealth of info. On the ground of some late war German projects (including the Norvegian-based development of the original Belluzzo's blueprints and the German atom bomb project) and post-war British breakthroughs in aeronautics and astronautics, he pointed out a fascinating but hard-to-believe scenario.

British spaceships had been built after blueprints and technology captured in Germany and flown since 1947. In 1951 they landed on the Moon and in 1954 they reached Mars. Though these claims look quite unlikely and unsubstantiated, most of the evidence and sources offered by Vesco lead to some interesting considerations about German secret technology and some late '40s and '50s UFO sightings.

Following the Canadian AVRO CAR project rumours, many magazines of the early '50s published news about soon-to-come man-made "flying saucers".  Vesco found in these rumours more background for his theory.

Other sketches of wanna-be man-made flying saucers. Besides the official AVRO project, there were tens of inventors with plans of fantastic flying machines, often related to revolutionary discoveries with anti-gravity.

The concept of the "man-made flying saucer" was really exciting and even welcome in an era of fast technological advancements. The wonders of science and technology of the atomic age could well explain even a dream-machine like the flying saucer.

The well-known aviation magazine "Flying" devoted some space to the idea of a circular aircraft as the ultimate air weapon.

1945 - World War 2 ends with geographic defeat of Axis powers and panic exodus of high proportion of remaining Jews from continent.  A crew-carrying the "Kugelblitz" flies from Thuringia. Kugelblitz engines were extracted and ship destroyed by SS. Scientists, plans and engines were shipped to Antarctica, where Fourth Reich White Wolves regroup. 

There is some evidence to show that the 'flying saucers' seen by Kenneth Arnold over Mt. Rainier in Washington State were of 'German' origin, and not flown by aliens. 





Starting with Sputnik I

Even before the first announced Soviet spaceman blasted off in 1961, rumors reached the West about the existence of secret graves of anonymous dead cosmonauts, killed on unannounced missions. Moscow vigorously denied them all, to no effect. Lists of dozens of dead cosmonauts circulated in the Western press for many years. The Soviets denounced the originators of such material as "enemies."  (Dead and Missing Cosmonauts)

From: http://www.think-aboutit.com/Underground/under_the_ground.htm

The material here has been reported by real people. The government, of course, would deny it. If you do believe that the concepts represented here may be possible, then you may learn a great deal in the following lines of text.

If you are a person who believes that this information is not possible because the government has not agreed to it, or because the government disagrees with it, then this material is not intended for you. It is intended for those who already know that the government has much to lose by admitting any of this information, or at least they feel that they have something to lose. So don't expect government confirmation of this, expect them to disagree totally with everything here. It's to their advantage to disagree, and keep trying to maintain their secrecy.

U.S. CITIZENRY TOTALLY EXPENDABLE In the book *Deep Black: Space Espionage and National Security* General George Keegan tells of the Russian civil defense shelters. He found that every factory in Russia had a shelter. The city of Moscow had 75 underground command post/shelters, each one the size of the Pentagon. Yes, that's what he said. They were each covered with 100 feet of reinforced concrete and four hundred feet of dirt. He said they were each 2 or 3 times as strong as Hoover Dam.

There are currently 96 Government (mostly FEMA) underground bases, and 129 Deep Underground military bases in the U.S.A. (See above link for map) Listed are underground bases in other countries, as well.  (If you are squeamish, you might not want to read that page) I'd like to know where is my pass to get in one. Where is your pass?  If you had 20 minutes warning that hydrogen bombs were about to be dropped all across America, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?  I know what many of you will say. "I don't worry about it, whatever is God's will, will be." That type of brainwashing has gotten us into this mess. God's will, is for us to have free will. If you want to step in front of a railroad train, God will let you. He will not stop you! And if you do nothing about the mess you/we are in, God will let you die! If the Russians want to attack this country, or if we want to attack them, God will allow it - He allows free will to all sides!

Excerpted from "The Day After Roswell" by Col. Philip J. Corso (Ret.)  (Unfortunately, also now deceased)

From pg. 315 - "General Trudeau also shared with me some intelligence reports that described antimissile missile tests the Soviets had conducted with very powerful tracking radar. We'd known about their radars because I'd seen them work during exercises in Germany when each side would test the other's responses over the East German border. Their radars and their ability to lock onto aircraft was just as good as ours. But what the general showed me were reports that described the Soviets firing intercept missiles at incoming ICBM vehicles and exploding the intercept warheads so as to knock out the navigational systems on the aggressor missiles. One of those test intercepts had been conducted successfully right through an atomic cloud on one of the Soviet missile test ranges in Asia. this was especially disturbing because anyone who knows anything about the nature of an atomic cloud knows that the electromagnetic pulse immediately knocks out any form of electronics. That's also how we knew what the signatures were of the alien UFOs that buzzed our ships and bases.  So much of our nonhardened power was knocked out by the pulse that we knew an electromagnetic wave had hit us. So, if the Soviets could harden their antimissile missile guidance system to home in on a target through an electromagnetically charged atomic cloud, they were using a technology significantly more advanced than ours and it spelled trouble. "

Page 316 - "So if the Soviets have something that can take out missile warheads through an atomic cloud and are using devices that may have come from an alien technology, we have something to worry about," the general said. 

Included in the long list of secret bases is:

The Moon  

Map of Moon with Points located

Lunar Locator: Want to buy Property? I'm assuming this in tongue in cheek. 

Russian bases on the Near side of the Moon:

  • 1. 55 54' N, 51 00' E ...East of the Sea of Cold.
    2. 16 33' N, 48 51' E ...West of the Sea of Crises. - Photographs - Apollo 15
    3. 31 53' S, 73 09' E ...Southwest of the Sea of Fertilio.
    4. 72 26' S, 67 30' W ...Near the South Pole on the SW side.
    5. 50 53' S, 57 49' W ...Near Phocylides Crater in the SW quadrant
    6. 09 26' S, 66 52' W ...Southwest of the Ocean of Storms
    7. 01 23' S, 12 27' W ...Northeast of the Apollo 14 landing site.

Russian bases on the Far side of the Moon:

  • 1. 36 00' S, 147 00' E ...Jules Verne Crater. Contains large underground
    • lakes, plants, alien machinery, food storage, spacecraft hangers. Approximate 37,000 humans. Base is approximately the size of New York State.

    2. 13 36' S, 108 26' E ...Southwest of Pasture Crater.
    3. 51 03' N, 095 00' E ...Southwest of Compton crater.

Functions: Living spaces, mining, strategic bases, particle beam research.
Levels: Multiple
Tunnels to: Unknown


Functions: Living facilities for German/Japanese base
Levels: Multiple
Tunnels to: Unknown


Two Russian scientists, Michael Vasin and Alexander Shcherbakov advanced an amazing theory in relation to the origin of the moon, in an article published in the Soviet journal Sputnik, in 1970.  In the article entitled, ‘Is the Moon the Creation of Alien Intelligence?’ they theorise that the moon is not a completely natural world but a planetoid that was hollowed out by the technology of intelligent beings who directed it through the cosmos and placed it in precise orbit around the earth.  In their extraordinary article the Soviet scientists wrote:
“Abandoning the traditional paths of ‘common sense’, we have plunged into what may at first seem to be unbridled and irresponsible fantasy.  But the more minutely we go into all the information gathered by man about the moon, the more we are convinced that there is not a single fact to rule out our supposition.  Not only that, but many things so far considered to be lunar enigmas are explainable in the light of this new hypothesis” (Marrs, p.10).




Then along comes ALTERNATIVE THREE, which suggested that the world was going to be destroyed, and that if the elite wanted to save themselves and a few hand-picked members of the human race, they must establish self supporting colonies on the moon and Mars, and then come back to earth to repopulate after the EARTH CHANGES are completed and the world has settled down. Hence we have what were called BATCH ASSIGNMENTS, in which large groups of people were simply ABDUCTED, taken to special camps, had their personalities and will DESTROYED, and were made into robotics slaves to carry out the work of colony establishment. That there are reports of large groups of people that have simply vanished during the TIMELINE of Alternative Three should be of no concern, should it? 

Of course Alternative Three was declared a hoax, as were the Protocols. ALTERNATIVE THREE was  declared to be a hoax, but ALTERNATIVE TWO, the digging of huge underground cities and a tunnel complex has been accomplished. Numerous reports of huge underground cities and underground highways have been given by eyewitnesses. Yet it is all declared a hoax!! Have the space colonies been established? If so, that requires advanced technology and space vehicles capable of  high speed travel to be used as shuttle and transportation craft. Was Nazi technology used to establish ALTERNATIVE THREE? Are the numerous UFO sightings of "mother ships" actually ALTERNATIVE THREE VEHICLES? The Bible implies that ALTERNATIVE THREE IS AN ACTUAL REALITY, and points directly to America-Babylon as the chief instigator. It is also interesting that many of the moon mission photos that were given to the public as authentic have problems with "lighting" and the shadows don't fall correctly. The movie CAPRICORN ONE was about this very thing. Could it be that the general public was shown fake pictures because of activity on the moon would have been revealed? Or is "Alternative Three" more disinformation?

Dr. Peter Bater, a top intelligence operative in the CIA and NSA claimed we had colonies on the moon and Mars, and he said that YEARS AGO. He also claimed that the RICH MEN OF THE EARTH WERE BEHIND IT, especially ROCKEFELLER and ROTHCHILDS. He claimed that we had a WAR out there as well, called the WAR OF THE HARVEST MOON!! Bater is dead now, so no one knows. The ENIGMA continues!!!

Alternative Three

Alternative One - elimination of a huge portion of world population.
They are in the process of doing that.

Alternative Two - to build many underground bunkers, as large as small towns, to protect the government in seclusion until the surface population thinning was finished.
They have built over 200 such "underground cities". (Mt. Weather)

Alternative Three - to build a "transfer station" on the backside of the Moon, build an underground base on Mars and remove a certain limited "Noah's Ark" cross section of Earth's population, artists, scientists, engineers, writers, etc., to Mars as a survival colony in the event of "catastrophy" on Earth.
They started this project in 1961 and may have accomplished most of this as well.

By secret Executive Order of President Eisenhower, the Jason Scholars were ordered to study this scenario and make recommendations from their findings. The Jason Society CONFIRMED the finding of the scientists and made three recommendations called "Alternatives One, Two, and Three." 

"Alternative One" was to use nuclear devices to blast holes in the Stratosphere from which the heat and pollution could escape into space. Change the human cultures from that of exploitation into cultures of environmental protection. Of the three this was dec Copyright © Apolluz nuuts-en